All in One Thread for Ethyl-Methyl PMK Glycidate conversion to PMK

[mixxxman]

well...didnt tried the saponification at room temp. for 12 hours, but i will for sure, since the dark brown colour in this conversion appears after the 80c saponification..maybe it can solve it...about other benefits i dont know....

as for the acid adittion, thats other proccess, yes you should put at 80ª for sure

IM BATMAN
just a question to be sure and because i am curious.

the way to the ketone is it the same when is as a powder or oil ?

thank you so much

 

[orgasmatron]

just a question to be sure and because i am curious.

the way to the ketone is it the same when is as a powder or oil ?

thank you so much

mixxxmanthat's a good one. Well, the melting point of it is really low, at around 35-45⁰C you may find it partially melting back and forth making it some weird wax looking mess. The better (powdery) kinds, and now I'm guessing, are probably purer and have a better defined melting point at around 45 deg. When you have mixtures, these properties can vary and unless you are very schooled and experienced at the deed, can be very unpredictable. I haven't seen a third party analysis but it wouldn't make sense to have two different behavior and same substance.
It's one reasonable hypothesis.
Their sales force won't give you a better answer unless you are a lot luckier than me.

cheers

 

[mixxxman]

that's a good one. Well, the melting point of it is really low, at around 35-45⁰C you may find it partially melting back and forth making it some weird wax looking mess. The better (powdery) kinds, and now I'm guessing, are probably purer and have a better defined melting point at around 45 deg. When you have mixtures, these properties can vary and unless you are very schooled and experienced at the deed, can be very unpredictable. I haven't seen a third party analysis but it wouldn't make sense to have two different behavior and same substance.
It's one reasonable hypothesis.
Their sales force won't give you a better answer unless you are a lot luckier than me.

cheers

orgasmatron
yes it can be very interesting, to know exactly what it can make the differences between the powder and the oil.
i was thinking, maybe it can be a salt of this molecule, when is as a powder ?
and, if the way can be different between the oil and the powder to the ketone

 

[mixxxman]

if someone can share is knowledge... we are more than happy !
cheers

 

[orgasmatron]

yes it can be very interesting, to know exactly what it can make the differences between the powder and the oil.
i was thinking, maybe it can be a salt of this molecule, when is as a powder ?
and, if the way can be different between the oil and the powder to the ketone

mixxxmannop. when inquired the very first time about the 'new pmk oil' (CAS 28578-16-7), and asked what would be, if any, the new approach to turn this into real pmk oil ( obviously CAS 4676-39-5) the answer was grand.... "its a trade secret, please don't spread out..." they said. I received a video, it was outstanding! The new product requires just... that you warm it up!... and in the video, I still have it btw, the 'scientist' actually warms up a test tube w/ the solidified product using a lit candle. I was....flabbergasted to say the least. it turns into an oil before your eyes....
I hope we are not talking about the difference between 28578-16-7 and 13605-48-6. This is actually a stable powder and however it produces the same end product if given the right treatment, it is a different molecule altogether and actually gives less yields than it's newer sibling.

Cheers!

 

[PepitoPistol]

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nop. when inquired the very first time about the 'new pmk oil' (CAS 28578-16-7), and asked what would be, if any, the new approach to turn this into real pmk oil ( obviously CAS 4676-39-5) the answer was grand.... "its a trade secret, please don't spread out..." they said. I received a video, it was outstanding! The new product requires just... that you warm it up!... and in the video, I still have it btw, the 'scientist' actually warms up a test tube w/ the solidified product using a lit candle. I was....flabbergasted to say the least. it turns into an oil before your eyes....
I hope we are not talking about the difference between 28578-16-7 and 13605-48-6. This is actually a stable powder and however it produces the same end product if given the right treatment, it is a different molecule altogether and actually gives less yields than it's newer sibling.

Cheer

orgasmatronAre you talking about MELTING something??? Wow, I could have never figured out that if you heat a wax it actually melts and turns into an oily thing…
People, please do your research, read, then come here and ask specific questions…
There’s a basic chemistry knowledge required for all this.
Not trying to kick anybody out, but some questions imply that you don’t even understand what a cas number is, what a salt is, etc… It will be (even more) dangerous for you. First step is to do your best to study and learn some basics.
The rest is pretty much already answered in this same thread, again READ before reasking the same over and over.
Just my 2 cents.

Wax/oil and powder are not the same thing, they don’t have the same cas number.
Good luck!

 

[btcboss2022]

Hello,

This is the final stuff that I got from CAS 28578-16-7 wax form:

;-)
Anyway I will test other methods and make some changes to try to improve it as max as possible.

 

[Bartholomeus]

Hello,

This is the final stuff that I got from CAS 28578-16-7 wax form:
View attachment 6056
;-)
Anyway I will test other methods and make some changes to try to improve it as max as possible.

btcboss2022
Beautiful crystal, hats off to chemist

 

[Cruela]

Hello guys.
I'm a little confused about which route do l have to do
I have 1 kg of new pmk ( I guess) but I dont know if it's Wax or Powder
When I squeeze the bag it feels like kinetic sand, Not like powder.
The product smell amaizing with this characteristic safrole odoor
But have a spice or acetic odoor, itchy nose

The supplier gave me this instructions:
1- mix this 4 ingredients in this order
Pmk powder, HCL, Water, and Ethanol the Ratio is 1:2:1:1
Test with 100 gr of powder at a time
2- Mix these four ingredients together and stir them well heat at 70-75 degrees and stir for 3 hours containers cannot be completely sealed
3- And then there's the layering. Get rid of the others. Leave the Oil

I think that this metod is for the old version, and I should do the proess that @Fring did.

What would you do?

Thanks for your help.

 

[WillD]

I have 1 kg of new pmk ( I guess) but I dont know if it's Wax or Powder

NolThe powder looks like the real thing.

When I squeeze the bag it feels like kinetic sand, Not like powder.

Maybe

The product smell amaizing with this characteristic safrole odoor

Excellent. There is always an admixture of finished oil in these products.

But have a spice or acetic odoor, itchy nose

quite possible

The supplier gave me this instructions:
1- mix this 4 ingredients in this order
Pmk powder, HCL, Water, and Ethanol the Ratio is 1:2:1:1
Test with 100 gr of powder at a time
2- Mix these four ingredients together and stir them well heat at 70-75 degrees and stir for 3 hours containers cannot be completely sealed
3- And then there's the layering. Get rid of the others. Leave the Oil

I think that this metod is for the old version, and I should do the proess that @Fring did.

What would you do?

Yours is more likely a sodium or potassium salt (check for water solubility). The proposed method should work.

 

[little499]

The powder looks like the real thing.

Maybe

Excellent. There is always an admixture of finished oil in these products.

quite possible

Yours is more likely a sodium or potassium salt (check for water solubility). The proposed method should work.

William Dampiersir,i think this question may be a bit stupid, all because i'm a mewbie,but i want to ask:
how should i make it crystallize if i use the new bmk oil method

 

[masterpell]

I don’t know what the hell my supplier provided me, and the oily substance it produced was surprising.